Chileantiques - OUTSTANDING ORDERS

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The major reason I stopped being a part of the old Homage Forum was because he was allowed to sell. He was passing off his stuff as gen on ebay and I said that shows he is not to be trusted and it was just a matter of time before he screwed people over on the forum. To see he was further enabled over and over again is just friggin nuts! My daughter acted up and I cut her off, I friggin love the kid and two years of not speaking was painful but thats what needed to be done.... Sometimes you have to man the fuck up and be without because its whats best for everyone. Lifetime ban the guy....

I wont deal with the devil because he potentially has something I want, it should of been a non starter from the get go. Plus with all the folks here and money they put out, you all literally could of had parts manufactured with better quality here in the US. Technology has filled the gap in hands on machinist work, all you need is the cash.

His father is well off?....and Jorge is ENTITLED!!! Coming from money doesn't mean people won't scam. I have actually found it to often be the opposite. If money has been handed to someone and they always get bailed out, the reality is then they expect others to do the exact same. Jorge doesnt care about anyone but himself and this is all a temporary gig to enable him to get what he wants. He doesnt care about anyone or anyones money!! He is a POS.
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SDREW1976 wrote:The major reason I stopped being a part of the old Homage Forum was because he was allowed to sell. He was passing off his stuff as gen on ebay and I said that shows he is not to be trusted and it was just a matter of time before he screwed people over on the forum. To see he was further enabled over and over again is just friggin nuts! My daughter acted up and I cut her off, I friggin love the kid and two years of not speaking was painful but thats what needed to be done.... Sometimes you have to man the fuck up and be without because its whats best for everyone. Lifetime ban the guy....

I wont deal with the devil because he potentially has something I want, it should of been a non starter from the get go. Plus with all the folks here and money they put out, you all literally could of had parts manufactured with better quality here in the US. Technology has filled the gap in hands on machinist work, all you need is the cash.

His father is well off?....and Jorge is ENTITLED!!! Coming from money doesn't mean people won't scam. I have actually found it to often be the opposite. If money has been handed to someone and they always get bailed out, the reality is then they expect others to do the exact same. Jorge doesnt care about anyone but himself and this is all a temporary gig to enable him to get what he wants. He doesnt care about anyone or anyones money!! He is a POS.
We can't take control over who decides to do business with him.

However he is on the members under probation thread which is publicly available. We advise to avoid doing business with him.

Banning is not the solution since he would be able to use other means to sell his stuff. But sometimes is what we do. Thanks for sharing your thoughts

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@SDREW1976 … one of the debates/discussions we had in the old forum was what to do with him. He was already scammy when he was on eBay. A personal opinion from personal dealings with him when he first started selling 240 stuff on eBay. Right or wrong, The decision was made that it would be better to have his presence on the forum where we could keep him in check when he tried to misrepresent things, or at least keep members updated as to what to expect when dealing with him. I would like to think that we managed to keep things in check earlier on.

IMO, he has gone from intermittently problematic to full blown scammer based on the increasing stories I’m seeing. At this point now….I agree that he has no place on this forum. I’m honestly surprised that he has managed to maintain a 100% rating on eBay.
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slayer wrote:Short Summary: Jorge / [mention]Chileantiques[/mention] stole 9000$ from me and 4 others, stopped any work in November 2021 and started to completely ignore us in January 2022. We paid him this money specifically in advance so that he wouldn't need other projects to fund his living expenses and could focus on our work!

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Jorge said he could do Rolex 727 conversions for us and we agreed on a timeline / project plan from April to September. We initially paid him $1k each to start and he started out relatively motivated. He quite literally said that we should pay him this down payment so that he could focus on this project and wouldn't need to work on other projects for income.
However, what was a major red flag from the start was that as soon as he got payment, he started to disappear and progress became super slow again and he'd ignore messages asking about updates that he kept promising us would come "next week" and then all of a sudden share completely irrelevant pics to get our opinion on watch parts.

By September, he hadn't even started work that should have been finished by July. As we got increasingly frustrated, he always gave us excuses about his custody and divorce lawsuits that needed his attention, all while demanding more and more money from us. He always said we could always leave this project and he'd return the money. As soon as only one person in the group asked for his deposit back, he refused, left the WhatsApp group and completely ignored us and our requests to refund our money.

We even gave him the option that we wouldn't pull funding if he just started to show continuous progress at a pace that we could agree on together (e.g. an update with pics every Thursday or every other Thursday even) and gave him plenty of time to get his head straight beforehand (>Month). This was several months after his supposed custody case. He ignored this as well and became childish.

So in our book he stole the money from us until we either get what we paid for or he returns the money. I don't care if his intentions are to "some day", "one day" or whenever pay us back. For what it's worth, he used someone else's PayPal Account to funnel part of the money (probably because his was banned) and also received some in crypto. Unfortunately, by the time the issues started, it was already too late for chargebacks.

I really don't get Jorge, he's destroying his entire reputation built over many years (albeit with a few hiccups along the way), which is his supposed main source of income and profession, which will cause him never to be able to do any business in the watch scene. In our case, he could so easily avoided this by just giving us an update once a week. I don't get it, what else has he been doing all this time? From the looks of it, he's hasn't done anyone else's work either.

We are looking at all options right now, one of us has litigation insurance that covers all legal expenses up to 1 million dollar per case, with full self-control over the case and own choice of counsel:
  • One option is to pull the people who received the money on his behalf (Father, Friend, etc.) into it, in the hope that they will exert some pressure on him.
  • Another option is to report him to the police and online fraud units in Chile (and also his launderers).
  • In Europe it's possible to get something similar to an arrest notice against someone charged with a lawsuit he hasn't responded to or defended themselves against, so that he will be arrested if he crosses into Europe unless he pays whatever was determined after default judgment. I'm probably simplifying how that works, so don't quote me on the specifics, I'm just paraphrasing what a lawyer told me and did to someone in a different case where one non-EU party refused to take back unusable products from his client. Does that somehow work in the US as well?
  • Can do the above to the people connected to Jorge via payments
From what we can tell, his Father is definitely not without means based his trades with expensive vintage watches, so it's surprising to us that someone from a well-off family in Chile would resort to scamming people when his family and friends are clearly connected to his deals. He's basically not just toying with his own reputation, but also his fathers, his cousins or whoever else lets him use their accounts.

Has anyone here been successful in getting things straightened out with Jorge in the past 4 Months? Any other suggestions what we can do?
Come on…

Even after I called that stuff again and again back in 2018 and 2019 y’all gave that guy $9k?

What’d you think, I was taking the time to slap him around for sport?

Whoever is apart of this “we” chasing after his shoddy Daytona fake builds deserves the loss. They were always gonna be shit parts when you received them.

This forum is a treasure trove to see that the man is only worth scraping off the bottom of your shoe on the curb as you’re walking out the door.

Honestly, don’t waste your time with the threats of international law suits over $9k. Cut your losses of the few shekels and value the more important part of your time chasing that fool. Write it up here on the forum in a searchable place so the Google bots can find it and maybe it’ll SEO its way to eyes of people who may consider buying his crap.


See Emilio and Mellons, told you so.
You should’ve listened to me and Daevildog back then.
As long as you allowed him the tacit approval of being present he would scam again. The membership suffered because you chose not to act decisively when confronted with a track record of a garbage human being.

Do the right thing now. Ban him and write it up that he’s not welcome here ever. We’re still a decent community of people who are out to help each other. Wipe off the stain ChileAntiques has left.


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civic4982 wrote: April 18th, 2022, 9:04 pm Come on…

Even after I called that stuff again and again back in 2018 and 2019 y’all gave that guy $9k?

What’d you think, I was taking the time to slap him around for sport?

Whoever is apart of this “we” chasing after his shoddy Daytona fake builds deserves the loss. They were always gonna be shit parts when you received them.

This forum is a treasure trove to see that the man is only worth scraping off the bottom of your shoe on the curb as you’re walking out the door.

Honestly, don’t waste your time with the threats of international law suits over $9k. Cut your losses of the few shekels and value the more important part of your time chasing that fool. Write it up here on the forum in a searchable place so the Google bots can find it and maybe it’ll SEO its way to eyes of people who may consider buying his crap.


See Emilio and Mellons, told you so.
You should’ve listened to me and Daevildog back then.
As long as you allowed him the tacit approval of being present he would scam again. The membership suffered because you chose not to act decisively when confronted with a track record of a garbage human being.

Do the right thing now. Ban him and write it up that he’s not welcome here ever. We’re still a decent community of people who are out to help each other. Wipe off the stain ChileAntiques has left.


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All my personal dealings with him prior to this have been flawless and I had many dealings with him, which is the only reason I trusted him. I haven't been on HF in years and I usually don't do intense research on people with whom I had multiple flawless dealings, so maybe calm your tits a bit here with the 'i told you so' or whatever ;)
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civic4982 wrote: April 18th, 2022, 9:04 pm Honestly, don’t waste your time with the threats of international law suits over $9k. Cut your losses of the few shekels and value the more important part of your time chasing that fool. Write it up here on the forum in a searchable place so the Google bots can find it and maybe it’ll SEO its way to eyes of people who may consider buying his crap.
The whole point of litigation insurance & using is 1) handing over something like this to someone who isn't me and then be done with it and 2) hurting the other party and 3) potentially recouping the loss.

Even if you don't recoup the loss in the end, you can still place a significant burden on the scammer. Additionally, the Nr 1 reason scammers continue to scam and have it so easy is because most people will just let it go and not involve authorities - and no, these are not wise words from me, these are the words of the founder of ShadowCrew who was on the most wanted list and is considered the OG of the cybercriminals by the secret service.
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Maybe you’ll get your promised goods or your money back from the scammer.

After all, he’s been reading the complaints. Just not decent enough to come out of hiding.

I’m sure there’s plenty of excuses for us to hear when he decides he needs an image rehab.

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MODBREAK_HEADEmilio

The team have decided to ban him after some discussion.

From now on, any kind of issue with Jorge should be dealt directly with him since he is not part of this forum anymore.
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