Two grails - withdrawn

[madasboot]

Can we have a price breakdown for the thread of the 3646?

I'm not clear how we get to $1800?

Cort 616 ?
Case ? (Who made it?)
Dial & hands ?

A decent photo of the dial would be great too. The one provided is not adequate.

@Nick_B
Movement: Cortebert 616 (bought in 2006) 250 usd
Service: watchsmith service + barrel and pinion extension (2007) 150usd
Mvmt bridge engraving: 80usd (2007)
Case: case VDB (custom made in 2007) 400 usd
Crown: River (2007) 80usd
Crown tube and loop wire installation and solder 60usd
Dial upgrade: Gordon NW (3 piece plexi sandwich dial engraved, 2015) 100usd
Hands: Gordon NW (blued and aged) 50usd
Bezel+brass ring+caseback upgrade: Athaya (2019) 110 usd
Lead Gaskets: Gordon NW (2020) 30usd
Second service and adjustments: (2021 Singapore) 300usd
Strap: self made
Plexi upgrade: Athaya (2019) 20Usd
Here is what you asked for. A total of 1630usd.
Not adding postal costs, strap value and time spent with it from 2007 to 2020.
I know that 1630usd is not the same as 1800usd, but can I ask your opinion on it?

As for the requested pics:

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The bezel gasket, unassembled is lying next to the case and unmounted bezel (its a 4 piece case) and it is lead, just not sure if has italian provenience.

Anything else I can help with?
Maybe the movement.

Best
M.

[madasboot]

Can we have a price breakdown for the thread of the 3646?

I'm not clear how we get to $1800?

Cort 616 ?
Case ? (Who made it?)
Dial & hands ?

A decent photo of the dial would be great too. The one provided is not adequate.

Nick has a good point here. details matter.

@Thrasher indeed he has.
I share the same opinion. Details provided as requested

[madasboot]

Let's compare with real 618. Found it in another drawer
Hm... I think something is different here
What I need to prove?
Let's calm down and as I said in my first post here, let's call the things as they are.
Movement from Luminor is not 618, it is 517/516. That's all.

Dear @Kp0y,
It is mutually understood it is not a cal. 618. My bad.
But it is also not a cal. 517 or 516 as you pretend it to be.
Cortebert cals. 516, 517, 518, 519, 522 and 523 are 17 3/4 lignes meaning a diameter of 39,25mm.
Cortebert cals. 616, 617, 620, 620R “special and 622 are 16 lignes, meaning a diameter of 35,45mm, therefore smaller than the cals. 516 and 517.
That is why the movement at the right in your picture is bigger than the 618 on the left and that is also why I told you that mine is not a 516 or 517 as you pretended because mine has a diameter of 35,45mm therefore is a 16 ligne and not a 17 3/4…
Bridge architecture can be the same but not interchangeable because my movement is smaller like the 616, 618, 620.
That said it can only be a cal.514 and i browsed finding out that sometimes there is no difference between a 6** and a 5** in terms of diameter / lignes; the exceptions are cals. 514 and 515.
Therefore mine can only be one of these and the only one I found with same architecture, balance bridge and regulator is the rolex 514 (eaton).
You called the discussion funny, i call it very interesting.
Will follow up soon
Best
M.

[Kp0y]

I called this funny because of your joke about balance wheel, if I konw what it is still funny

Also after I showed you a cal. 514 you said it is not same like your of course it is not same like your, in this case your is not same as Eaton 514 from Jose reference picture. Different ratchet wheel, different, different crown wheel, jewels with chatons.

First I found a 517 in my drawer and showed the difference between 5 series and 6 series.
Then I found a real 514 that is smaller of course. Dialogue was not about the difference between 517 and 514.

Al was about showing the difference between 5 and 6.

Doesn't matter what your movement have stamped on baseplate. 618 never had any 618 stamp on baseplate. Baseplates for 616 and 618 are same and 618 must have a serial number on dial side.

Just for information:
None of 5 series parts are interchangeable with 6 series. Maybe some screws.
Baseplates are different (Ok same diameter) it is barely visible that 5 series have holes on baseplate for dial fixing when 6 series dials are fixed by screws on side of bridges.



I repeat, all this started after your description that was later replaced, that your movement IS cal.618. It doesn't matter what you have there, doesn't matter.. just don't call it wrong. And do not replace description please.

Let's summarise:

My only concern was about your only one word in description where you said that your Luminor IS with cal. 618

That's all. Further discussion was about difference between 517, 516, 514 that doesn't have any sense.



I will leave this here:

[Kp0y]

[madasboot]

@Kp0y
Yes, your point was taken and understood
My bad.
I apologize for my mistake and what i say is our discussion turned out to be very interesting, at least for me.
It made me research and go after information and prove myself wrong which is also important to assume.
I thank you for that.
As for the funny part it was stronger than myself; glad you didn’t take the balance wheel seriously, because it was only a provocation

[madasboot]

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[Kp0y]

[Kp0y]

[mention]Kp0y[/mention]
Yes, your point was taken and understood
My bad.
I apologize for my mistake and what i say is our discussion turned out to be very interesting, at least for me.
It made me research and go after information and prove myself wrong which is also important to assume.
I thank you for that.
As for the funny part it was stronger than myself; glad you didn’t take the balance wheel seriously, because it was only a provocation

Here on HF we are more fastidious about details. Grail builds with grail movement required a good description and will be followed by a lot of questions so this is ok here Do not take all this close to you. Can happen with any of us
Need a lot of patience but in the end even from a sale post we can learn a lot.

[madasboot]

@Kp0y
Yes, your point was taken and understood
My bad.
I apologize for my mistake and what i say is our discussion turned out to be very interesting, at least for me.
It made me research and go after information and prove myself wrong which is also important to assume.
I thank you for that.
As for the funny part it was stronger than myself; glad you didn’t take the balance wheel seriously, because it was only a provocation

Here on HF we are more fastidious about details. Grail builds with grail movement required a good description and will be followed by a lot of questions so this is ok here Do not take all this close to you. Can happen with any of us
Need a lot of patience but in the end even from a sale post we can learn a lot.

That is precisely my point!
And I thank you for that. These are the discussions I miss from the early times of the forums (rwc, rwg) almost 20 years ago…